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What do you think about Network membership?
As you might be aware, the Network has continuously looked at starting a paying membership scheme, as a way to help sustain it as a resource for artists.
We're now reviewing the whole concept of what membership might mean, and what its implications might be and there are still arguments both for and against a paying scheme.
In reviewing the membership it is clear that to have your input and your thoughts is fundamental to how it develops: The Network is a resource for all of us as creative people, and driven by the energy of the people that use it, so we need to get as much of your input as possible to help take it in the right direction.
Some options might be to go with the proposals as they stand - ie implement paying membership now, defer a decision until the end of the year to give the Network a chance to get going again, to actively look at other methods of sustaining the Network other than paid membership.
What does membership mean to you?
Would paying a fee be something you would welcome or be put off by?
Do you think it would help strengthen the Network, or hinder it by being less open?
I guess the key question is - will it strengthen the Network or will it kill it?
There are a few pointers - I'm sure discussion will raise more.
Thanks for taking time to add your thoughts - it will hopefully highlight the best way forward and make clear how you see the Network helping and supporting us all in the future.
Kate
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network membership charges
I think this is worth a 'live' discussion. I would venture a fee but I am worried that others might not and once talk is no longer free then there will be less of it.
When I worked in a public gallery, each visit cost @£13 but each vistor paid a couple of quid. If we had had free admission more people would have come (more often) and possibly made up discretionary spending! The financial contribution these visits made to the defrayment of the cost of each visit was marginal and I always thought it just held people back - we could always have given them an £11 visit for free.
Where is the network's shop? What else can catch pennies?
I like the idea that the network pays its way and is genuinely independent but I also think that other organisations could use and signpost the network. The county council has artefacts website and radio cumbria has an execrable artists of cumbria bit. Why don't these point here?
Is there a role for membership categories some of which pay? There are plenty of organisations which could have a sort of online shop on the network.
membership
my feeling is that whatever we do we should not try to implement the membership fee model just now. although there is still the whole incorporation business to be seen through, it feels like there is a bit of breathing space at the moment to get on with what the network is there to encourage - ie networking around what we are passionate about. personally i recommend keeping membership free until the end of the year while looking at other models of sustainability.
Art is essentially
Art is essentially Individual..Indivdually interesting, Individually challenging and Individually engaging! In fact Individuallity Makes the Artist!
I know that I have not been a member of this Net Work for very long four months (If that?).. I also know that this time of year things can be/are slow.
To be honest and straight to the point I haven't actually experienced any NET WORKING on here! So until things pick up I can't see the point of trying to implement a charge..
networking
Hi Clive
i take your point!
you might not have seen so much networking partly because this new site has only been up and running since October, and so might take a while for people to get used to what it can do. (having said that 503 people have logged in so far which isn't bad...)
(Also perhaps worth mentioning here is that there weren't many network 'activities' as such last year, partly due to funding and partly to do with putting the one day a week to getting the website up and running... so now we've funding we can get on with the activities side of things again... - phew!)
Hope that fills you in a bit... ?
The Cumbria Network
Art is essentially
Art is essentially Individual..Indivdually interesting, Individually challenging and Individually engaging! In fact Individuallity Makes the Artist!
Please don't misunderstand! I'm not knocking anything.. I just think that there needs to be and a need to be seen more activity (Net Working) then folk will be more willing to join in, back up all the hard work that has/is been done... and then they'll be more willing to put their hand in their pocket/purse and pay.
yes i agree - i think there
yes i agree - i think there is activity 'out there', but poss not seen on this space yet...
sorry, didn't mean to sound defensive! ooops.
i think when the network activities get going again there'll be more to see / do / get involved in as well. i'm looking forward to it - feel like i've been wrapped up in organisation admin for far too long! (drrrrr - going slightly bonkers..)
The Cumbria Network
good stuff..
This website is great. It has all the right tools to get information out and about around all the things going on up here, and next door too. As an artists network site, it's probably one of the best.
Having said that, I think on the whole it is really falling short of its potential. The number of artists actively using the forum space is a tiny percentage of the membership. Even the hubs account for less than 10%. That leaves a lot of artists as casual visitors. Not bad in itself, but certainly something to build upon. Like Clive above, I see the small amount of networking opportunites a factor in this. Increased physical networking opportunities not only increases physical networking, but more so helps cement the notion of being part of a vibrant collective.
And it doesn't have to stop with individual artists. Taking a supportive stance behind artists projects, galleries - public and commercial, and advocacy in the cultural sector in Cumbria, the North West and the UK, would promote networking within the sector. In short - getting involved. Work wityh them. They wouldn't exisit without artists and it's really important to be SEEN to be working alongside them.
All this in turn can lead to more use of all the tools on the website, and hey-presto! a really joined up bunch of artists.
I realise last year was a slow one and the current security is a new one and that there undoubtedly lots of exciting things to come from the network, but until we know what they are, the question of membership fees can't be answered at all. I'm sure it'll all be announced in good time, but maybe giving us all something to look forward to at this point might be a good idea?
Steve's idea of "having
Steve's idea of "having something to look forward to" is a good one. I'm not in the area anymore but wouldn't it be great to have a weekend day with workshops/seminars run by Network members that tied in with a live discussion about membership and the AGM?
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Art is essentially
Art is essentially Individual..Indivdually interesting, Individually challenging and Individually engaging! In fact Individuallity Makes the Artist!
I agree!

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membership
Hi All
I would not have any bones about paying a membership fee if it was not too expensive and we actually got something out of it. I asked to be kept in touch with movements around the Arts festival and other stuff and have not had anything through on here or to my email addresses. Maybe we need to look at getting some solid ground based on keeping people up to date with things. Any suggestions?
Cheers
Steve
hi steve
your on our list,i've started a thread about it too, we usually upload minutes on the hub bit too.
We have ongoing issues with the Carlisle Hub email list, its too big so the only way to send it round everyone is to divide it into chunks and send round seperately,its not fail proof.Unfortunately although we have tried a few methods,because we need to keep the ability for the whole list to 'reply all' its a bit complicated.
I am trying to steer more of the hub conversations to the forum,then people can subscribe the conversation they are interested in,and only recieve updates on that.
Any sugestions on how to solve our current mayhem are most welcome!
(we've tried i-connect,its great for marketing and reminders but not great for conversation... did have statistics though on who opened email,who forwarded it etc...)
h
Hi Steve, Watch the Carlisle
Hi Steve,
Watch the Carlisle Arts Hub forum space for all things that are happening up there - they've also a mail list which you can put your name on (or send a message to Hannah Stewart).
The Cumbria Network
Hi Hannah
Cheers for the explanations. I will put my name to the list for the Carlisle Hub Forum.
Thanks
Steve
membership fees
There is a cost to most networking situations - in the pub, the coffee bar or at exhibitions. We don't even think of this and rarely quantify whether the cost of a pint was worth the ammount of information gained. It's enough to just be part of a roughly similar minded group. There's obviously a cost to keeping this network communicating and in a stable financial situation, not dependent on fickle public funding. So I'm in favour of a subscription fee.
However having been a member of organisations in the past I do understand how they can rapidly become entertainment officers and audience. "What are YOU going to do for ME". Any group is only as dynamic as the members make it.
This letter was a bit of a struggle - I don't do this - and I guess 95% of this network think the same way. It's easiest to watch and way up [I've done it for the past two years]. But if this is to be a strong network and not a piece of theatre the audience should be on the stage as well.
End of ramble - I'm off to the back row again now.
paying for it and using it
I have made the unusual step, for me, of making time to actually go beyond the newsletter and read what is being said about the Network. You see I feel guilty. I fully support the network in every way but I am always so busy with my practice that I just don't get time/headspace to join in. I wonder how many other professional artists feel like this? Well we won't ever find out because they won't have time to read this!
So my wee contribution is .... lets know what we are paying for, lets keep the price low so those who are not doing so well can afford it and lets realise that there are those who love but are absent.
lovingly yours,
Jac
membership stuff
re suggestion of different types of membership and maybe organizations paying a fee to have access to profiles etc....it could be a way forward, i just wonder whether this would compromise the freedom of the space / forum etc.....or would it be beneficial in providing opportunities and stimulating more people to be active in the network? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
New network and subscription fee
It seems that the new network has made it more complex to just find out what's going on which is my main interest as not such an active artist these days. I would suggest a basic fee is useful as it acknowledges the orgaisational work currently being done.
Art is essentially
Art is essentially Individual..Indivdually interesting, Individually challenging and Individually engaging! In fact Individuallity Makes the Artist!
I feel it will give a sense of belonging and commitment..
Paying a membership fee.
I dont think it is a good idea. Although it could be said that most things are worth what you pay for them, I dont think that applies here. What other support do most of us as artists get from the state?
I think a monthly update is a valuable and interesting service and if push came to shove I might pay for it, but I have to say it would be reluctantly. If it was a choice between the newsletter or the olympics, I would choose the newsletter.
Membership fees and membership
We had a good Hub meeting in South Lakes today and discussed membership fees and 'membership'. Consensus was that we should shelve the idea of having to make a payment for membership, even though that shows a commitment, but recognised that there are other ways of demonstrating such a commitment and the need for events for artists to take part in was core crucial. We acknowledged that despite the need for structure and organisation, the need for creative participation was greater and more meaningful and more fun and likely to encourage more particpation and thereby more membership. So we basically agreed with the idea of shelving the idea of fee paying membership, get on with activity and review fees etc at a later date when we all can see what we woulld be asking people to buy into if that is what we want to do.
Paul
Art is essentially
Art is essentially Individual..Indivdually interesting, Individually challenging and Individually engaging! In fact Individuallity Makes the Artist!
[quote]"We acknowledged that despite the need for structure and organisation, the need for creative participation was greater and more meaningful and more fun and likely to encourage more particpation and thereby more membership. So we basically agreed with the idea of shelving the idea of fee paying membership, get on with activity and review fees etc at a later date when we all can see what we woulld be asking people to buy into if that is what we want to do."
Paul
I agree with that! People need to NOT only to see what they are getting, but also need to feel it to be worthwhile! I feel that the best way is to encourage them to take part.
I did exactly that with my woodcarving and sculpture group.. I initially supplied free Timber (best qualitity Lime)use of tools, work boards, carving bracketts, etc All for free.. No exspence to them apart from a charge of £3.00 per night towards the rent for the room (After their first FREE night).
Eighteen of a possible twenty five of the people of whom have attended over the last twelve months have now gone on to join the BWA (British Woodcarvers) this membership gives full public liability insurance cover, they get a quarterly mag and other support (How to do,etc) at a cost £20.00 per year.. Most of the 18 have now bought their own sets of chisels & gouges.. Further more because we were granted Rent Free for a year, we have been able to buy a good selection of tools and equipmentfor club night and event use only.
After 12 months I have 18 fully paid up members whom were all completely new to Woodcarving/Wood Sculpture,practicing their art and style. Now I don't think thats tooo bad going (Even if I say it myselfe! Lol)
By the way I actually see Woodcarving & Wood Sculpture been a ART and not a craft! Another opening for a good discussion...
Clive